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Teacherās Strike
- Neil (30th Jan 2023 18:59:12)
Firstly, I will highlight that I think teachers do an incredible job, certainly one I could not. I also remember how many of us enjoyed a sunny furlough whilst the teaching profession adapted to Covid and very swiftly moved to online learning. I also think they probably deserve better pay.
However the decision to strike by some teaching unions is an absolute disgrace and is immoral and disgusting. Since March 2020 our children have gone through the most disrupted schooling since probably WW2 and now, just when their education should be entering a more stable and consistent routine the Unions, and those teachers that support their unions, have chosen to extend the damage to our kids. They tell us when we look to take our kids out of school in term time for whatever reason that every day at school matters to a pupils future yet that is less important than going on strike. Absolutely disgusting!
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Re: Teacherās Strike
- Lara (30th Jan 2023 23:04:34)
Teachers do have lives outside of the school. You do know that donāt you?
Just because theyāre a teacher doesnāt mean they canāt stand up for what they believe in, just like the nurses, postal workers & now firefighters. If you think itās just about pay, then you need to do some research.
And using the word ādisgustingā is a bit OTT in the grand scheme of things right now. Maybe read a book to your darling child or get them to read to you. blimeyā¦ā¦asking parents to parent their own children so teachers can demonstrate for more school funding for your precious little gems!
Teacher recruitment & retainment is at an all time low. Why do you think there are so many unqualified teachers in schools?
And no, Iām not a teacher but fully support their reasons.
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Re: Teacherās Strike
- Ian (31st Jan 2023 08:07:41)
I have a good deal of sympathy for teachers but striking is wrong. The unions are using their members financial hardship (which we are all experiencing) for political motives and in this case causing harm to children.
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Re: Teacherās Strike
- Agree (31st Jan 2023 10:22:02)
Spot on Ian unions are exploiting their members to bring down this government and the members are going along with it thatās the disgusting thing about it . Strikes should be banned there is a better way in this day and age.
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Re: Teacherās Strike
- Pensioner (31st Jan 2023 11:07:38)
Wish I was on Ā£30000- Ā£40000 a year it would be like being a millionaire. If people canāt live on that sort of money they need to take a long hard look at themselves..
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Re: Teacherās Strike
- passfield resident (31st Jan 2023 11:18:07)
Agree- strikes should be banned??!!! What other basic rights would you take away from people? You are talking about moving to some kind of totalitarian society. The ignorance of some people about our history is astonishing. There is a way of avoiding strikes. It's called negotiation. When this fails employers can't just be allowed to do what they like.When Amazon workers are reprimanded for leaning on something because they are tired or have timed toilet breaks as well as low pay are they expected to cheerfully put up with it while the people running the company make vast amounts and avoid paying the taxes they should be paying? Worker's rights are part of a civilised society like looking after older people and taking an intelligent part in our democracy.
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Re: Teacherās Strike
- gareth j rees (31st Jan 2023 11:24:57)
teachers have my full support
it's an outrage they way they have been treated in the last 13 years, the pay they get is a joke
40% of teachers leave in the first 5 years
both of my kids regularly have supply teachers
and that's because we haven't got enough teachers (or doctors! or nurses!)
value the work teachers do
pay them properly
this country is going down the tubes under the tories
we must have a general election
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Re: Teacherās Strike
- paul (31st Jan 2023 11:40:40)
Hi,
Teachers deserve more than better pay.
They have to work in crumbling poorly maintained buildings
Also long hours, when marking from school and at home, including weekends
Physical abuse from students, that is often not reported or dealt with.
Online offensive commenting, resulting in stress, and depression at work.
We as a country for the existing generation, and future ones, big financial investment is required to our schools.
More individual support to help teachers is needed for their well-being.
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Re: Teacherās Strike
- H (31st Jan 2023 12:49:37)
Pensioner,
Teachers arenāt on 30-40k a year, student teachers barely make a living.
Not to mention that they go home and do MORE WORK.
Old people these days.
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Re: Teacherās Strike
- Dave (31st Jan 2023 12:55:31)
The issue of teachers striking is almost unique. In many cases, strikes are designed to hit productivity, cause financial disruption and put pressure on "the bosses". Its a financial hammer blow.
In the case of our schools, the only people being hammered are the children. In what other area would damaging children's wellbeing be sanctioned or acceptable?
Personally, I do think there should be more investment in education BUT harming the very children that teachers profess is their vocation to develop and educate is wrong.
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Re: Teacherās Strike
- Dave again (31st Jan 2023 13:44:13)
in reply to H
The starting salary for teachers in England is due to rise to Ā£30,000 a year by September 2023.
State school classroom teachers in England were paid an average of Ā£38,982 in the 2021/22 school year. This compares with Ā£39,009 in Wales and Ā£40,026 in Scotland. Northern Ireland did not provide a figure.
The average head teacher's salary in England for the same period was Ā£74,095, and Ā£57,117 for other senior leaders.
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Re: Teacherās Strike
- Pensioner (31st Jan 2023 14:57:48)
Thanks Dave Iām not saying they donāt deserve a pay raise. but as things are striking doesnāt help. H just try living on a basic pension most Teachers will retire on a good pension like all public employees I know because some of my family are teachers very good pension when they retire. Pensioners cannot go on strike they just have to lap it up . One day you will see like many others Old people?
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Re: Teacherās Strike
- DL (31st Jan 2023 19:22:10)
If teachers (and all other public sector workers) had the same triple lock on their salary as pensioners do on their state pensions, they probably wouldn't ever go on strike.
Most pensioners will also take far more in pension then they ever paid in taxes during their working lives, fortunately for them it's paid for by other generations. Unfortunately for those other generations it's a Ponzi scheme and at some point a generation that paid for the one preceding it is not going to get the same. How's that for fairness?
All the above said, both sides in this argument are following the play book perfectly - the young blame the old, the old blame the young, professions blame other professions, meanwhile those with all the money and power at the top laugh at the peasants arguing among themselves. Divide and rule executed to perfection.
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Re: Teacherās Strike
- Ex teacher (1st Feb 2023 19:29:35)
I qualified as a teacher in 2006 and started on a salary of Ā£20,082. I was working from 7am to 7pm each day (evenings consisted of marking, lesson planning, admin, responding to parents and attending staff meetings. I worked every weekend without fail planning lessons for the following week and writing schemes of work. I taught at a āgood ā comprehensive. The behaviour was challenging* and at times, downright physically abusive ( furniture thrown at me etc.) Some parents were rude and entitled and refused to cooperate with the school staff. I lasted 6 months before one morning, driving to school, I considered deliberately driving into tree so Iād be too injured to work. The following day I resigned. I was 25.
I now earn three times what I would as a teacher and whilst I work hard, nothing will ever compare to the exhaustion, desperation and sense of futility I felt during those 6 months. So I support the teachersā strike. They do not receive sufficient recognition and remuneration for what can be, an incredibly demanding and thankless job. The profession is losing staff and cannot continue in its current form. I admire each and every one of them.
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Re: Teacherās Strike
- Ian (2nd Feb 2023 07:13:32)
Ex teacher, clearly you didnāt have what it takes to be a teacher. Thankfully many do!
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Re: Teacherās Strike
- Ex teacher (2nd Feb 2023 07:56:29)
Youāre right Ian- I didnāt have what it takes. However your comment that āthankfully many others doā shows an interesting and dare I say callous attitude to the mental health issues that I - and many others - have endured as a result of the pressures of the profession. Kindness and empathy sadly seems in short supply.
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Re: Teacherās Strike
- Worker (2nd Feb 2023 09:24:29)
Ex Teacher do you think all other people in this country lives run smoothly ?
most people in their jobs suffer stress small businesses trying to keep going earning far less than the Teachers and thousands more.
All the strikers should hang their heads in shame this country needs everyone pulling together looking at the published wages of all the striking people there is totally no need for any strikes . We all suffer loads of stress and hardship in our lives most of us deal with it and carry on and make a good life.
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Re: Teacherās Strike
- ian (2nd Feb 2023 11:51:43)
ex teacher - many of us have pressures, anxiety, stress, money worries, family worries, health concerns, problems at work, matrimonial concerns, its called life.
Unfortunately we are increasingly seeing large sections of society that feel they are entitled to a life without these worries and complain about their mental health, usually all over social media when life throws them some reality.
Like many, I am actually quite caring but fed up of being overwhelmed with so many saying they are being damaged by just living in the real world. The world is going to be much tougher place for the forceable future, our kids need preparing for this and quite frankly, with how you come across on this discussion, thank goodness you are no longer in the teaching profession.
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Re: Teacherās Strike
- passfield resident (2nd Feb 2023 14:39:33)
Ian-your response to a very honest post by Ex teacher is pretty moronic. Far too many teachers are leaving teaching early because the job is made far harder than it should be, particularly by a small minority of pupils who haven't been brought up well, possibly by parents who lack respect and empathy themselves. The stress caused by having to control pupils who are pretty much out of control without back up from their parents can be intolerable.
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Re: Teacherās Strike
- Ex teacher (2nd Feb 2023 14:46:28)
You have a lovely day Ian. And thanks for your kind words and invaluable advice.
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Re: Teacherās Strike
- Pete (2nd Feb 2023 15:33:06)
Teachers striking is not what is detrimental to the child's education as our well heeled and out of touch PM would have you believe, its the fact that schools are understaffed and unable to provide a decent education as they cannot recruit enough teachers due to the poor pay and conditions that come with the job. How come we have to pay mega bucks and bonuses to bankers and CEOs to get the best people but the same doesn't apply to the jobs that actually count. Doctors, Nurses,Ambulance drivers, Emergency call handlers, Teachers, Transport workers,governmental civil servants (who are the ones that keep the whole shebang running despite their woefully incompetent bosses) Driving examiners, Border force, Royal mail workers. Are they all wrong?
All this when a member of parliament can make an"Error" with four million pounds worth of tax and its forgotten about within a week. I would say the country is going to the dogs but sadly for the ordinary Jo's of this world it already has.
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Re: Teacherās Strike
- Penny Williamson (2nd Feb 2023 17:32:45)
Passfield Resident. How will paying the teachers more relieve their stress and actually ex-Teacher's Ā£20,082 starting salary in 2006 was not bad. At least in the teaching profession as in the case of nurses and all those in the public sector do have jobs and are not in danger of losing them, unlike the private sector. They have sick pay, holidays, pensions. Itās not all bad.
The self employed have no back up, no holiday or sick pay, pension if they pay for it themselves, no job security and a great many of them are on the minimum wage. I think a great many people need to take a long, hard look at themselves ā the damage that these strikes are doing, whether or not some people think they are justifiable, is nothing short of catastrophic for the country.
Strikers need to understand the damage their actions are doing to other people and the economy. IMO Unions have a lot to answer for and I think their end-game is to bring down the Government which they probably will. Will Labour do any better ā there is now no money in the pot and we know that higher taxes donāt work. They are detrimental to investment, morale and growth. I think the old fashioned phrase āThe country is going to the dogsā is right except that I think it probably already has.
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Re: Teacherās Strike
- ian (2nd Feb 2023 17:58:13)
Passfield resident - kids at school have always been horrible and many at times, badly behaved. There has always been parents that don't care as well but a minority.
As it happens I do think teachers have been disempowered (along with the police) in recent years which makes it tougher dealing with those little buggers out to disrupt more difficult, but what is clear from ex teachers post is that they were ill equipped to manage a teaching role. Nothing to do with pay, everything to do with not being up to the job.
Unkind I know but truth hurts, a lesson that needs to be taught, not just to kids it seems. to quote you passfield resident - "The stress caused by having to control pupils who are pretty much out of control without back up from their parents can be intolerable" This has always been and will always be part of the job, if you cannot handle it, don't be a teacher!
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Re: Teacherās Strike
- Pensioner (2nd Feb 2023 18:05:27)
Well said Penny an ex self employed I can tell you it was extremely hard. Payed into a private pension and it went bust only got a fraction of my investment. Itās time all these strikers thought of the consequences of their actions.
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Re: Teacherās Strike
- Working man (2nd Feb 2023 18:44:25)
I wish I earned as much as these strikers they donāt seem to realise they are very well off guaranteed a job and a good pension all public service employees donāt appreciate that they have massive security and a very good wage. Can look forward to a good retirement. If they worked in the private sector they would have to work much harder and longer hours. They donāt know when they are well off . And as for the train drivers they all should be sacked and give their jobs to people that would appreciate the job . The people of this country need to take a long hard look at themselves.
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Re: Teacherās Strike
- passfield resident (2nd Feb 2023 19:24:01)
Penny-you seem to be taking issue with something I didn't say. I made no comment on teacher's pay. Workers in many sectors are trying for larger pay increases to counteract the effect of inflation, amongst other things.
The idea that unions are trying to bring down the government seems to be repeated by a few posters on this site. I'd say two things-firstly, successive Tory governments have tried to weaken the power of the unions, so Conservatives can't complain about unions opposing them, and secondly, this government has been the most dishonest , untrustwothy and in some cases corrupt government I can remember.
My opinion is that Rishi Sunak is a decent person and a very competent politician, but the government and the Conservative Party has many MPs who aren't fit to run a sweet shop. They don't need the unions to bring them down-they have done an excellent job of that themselves.
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Re: Teacherās Strike
- Sam (2nd Feb 2023 20:03:08)
Its very simple
Don't like Strikes = Right Wing / subject to influence / Self centered
Supports "current" Strikes = Potentially left wing / compassionate to others in society
Am neither good or bad, but I do laugh at the weak subjects following the dear leaders believing the bosses are right and they are good little subjects.
We could be alot better than this, and if you cant identify yourself with those being abused by the higher powers your very ... very lost
Ask me what am smoking... or maybe you just wake up
IMF. we are now last and falling rapidly behind
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Re: Teacherās Strike
- Penny Williamson (3rd Feb 2023 13:47:20)
Passfield Resident I am certainly not taking issue with something you did not say. You said in your post that ex-Teacherās post was a very honest one. In that post ex-Teacher stated that his/her starting salary in 2006 was Ā£20,082.00. I merely stated that I thought this was not a bad starting salary in 2006. With regard to your statement that āConservative Party has many MPs who aren't fit to run a sweet shop.ā I think that could apply just as well to some MPās in the Labour Party who have been found guilty of far worse things, the most recent of which was a Labour MP who stated that the Israeli Government is fascist and Israel is an apartheid state. I know this is deviation but I think everyone should look at the bigger picture. Good and bad, honest and dishonest in all parties and all walks of life.
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Re: Teacherās Strike
- Joe (3rd Feb 2023 14:44:02)
Penny, equating political views about the Israeli style of leadership with our government's incompetence and corruption in this country is grasping at straws.
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Re: Teacherās Strike
- passfield resident (3rd Feb 2023 15:00:41)
Actually I think describing Isreal as an apartheid state isn't far from the truth. It deliberately sets out to kill civilians , including women and children.
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Re: Teacherās Strike
- Ian (3rd Feb 2023 17:58:39)
@passfield resident, and Israelās Arab neighbours that still deny Israelās right to exist are such great role model states! As always, hypocrisy from the left!
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Re: Teacherās Strike
- passfield resident (3rd Feb 2023 21:21:09)
Ian-I made no comment about Arab states or the rights and wrongs of their politics. Amnesty International say Isreal is pursuing a policy of apatheid. When a country with nuclear weapons backed up by America persecutes an Arab state, it's hardly surprising that other Arab states oppose it. I don't like being labelled or being called a hypocrite.
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Re: Teacherās Strike
- Richard (4th Feb 2023 10:14:48)
Ian
Several grammatical errors and a fair few spelling mistakes.
Could do better. 6/10.
Spend most of your school-time looking out of the window did you?
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Re: Teacherās Strike
- Ian (4th Feb 2023 11:01:06)
Oh Richard, is that the best you could do? Sorry, you could do better!
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Re: Teacherās Strike
- Penny Williamson (4th Feb 2023 11:46:31)
@ Richard I am at a loss to see why you are criticizing Ianās post as being grammatically incorrect and full of spelling mistakes and do not criticize Passfield Residentās post as he/she cannot spell āIsraelā correctly as demonstrated in both his/her recent posts and āapartheidā in his/her second post dated 3 Feb. @Passfield Resident Israel and the Middle East have had a very checkered and complicated history and I am sure there have been and still are rights and wrongs on both sides. However IMO intemperate language from anyone does not help . Likewise I do not think remarks such as Kim Johnson the Labour MP made saying that she thought that the Israeli Government was fascist is the sort of divisive and inflammatory statement that should be made by a Member of Parliament ā the fact that she has apologised unreservedly and withdrawn her statement says it all. By highlighting her statement on this Forum I was taking the opportunity to point out that there are flawed MPās on both sides of the House. However I have high-jacked this Thread for which I apologise and will now bow out and hopefully the posts will return to the "Teachersā Strike".
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Re: Teacherās Strike
- Ian (4th Feb 2023 16:51:18)
Oh Richard, is that the best you could do? Sorry, you could do better!
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Re: Teacherās Strike
- passfield resident (4th Feb 2023 18:46:13)
Penny-Pointing out grammar/spelling mistakes rather than making an argument is a bit cheap, so I will let you find the mistakes in your last post yourself.
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Re: Teacherās Strike
- Penny Williamson (5th Feb 2023 13:53:37)
I don't usually criticize spelling and grammar, but I thought it was a bit rich of Richard to criticize Ian's post as having "several grammatical errors and a fair few spelling mistakes" when you misspelt Israel and apartheid and he saw fit to ignore this. This was unfair, particularly as he ended by saying "Spend most of your school-time looking out of the window did you?" Most unpleasant - so I felt I had to respond your latest post even though it had nothing to do with Teachers' Strikes. I would very much appreciate it if you could point out the spelling/grammatical errors in my last post as you claim to have noticed them. I am always willing to learn.
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Re: Teacherās Strike
- paul (5th Feb 2023 15:07:17)
Hi,
As always with strikes no one asked the pupils/students how they are affected with this current action. Lost education through Covid 19, now these days-off from the curriculum.
Listen to the future generation, they will tell you how this disturbance is to their own future.
I also have sympathy will education staff and their cause.
Negotiation around tables is the only solution, not closing schools and picket lines.
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Re: Teacherās Strike
- passfield resident (5th Feb 2023 15:24:27)
Penny- you are an authority on grammar-I'm sure you can find them yourself.
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Re: Teacherās Strike
- Penny Williamson (5th Feb 2023 19:17:11)
Passfield Resident I have read and re-read my post and cannot find any spelling mistakes or grammatical errors. I am not saying that there are none - I just cannot find them so put your money where your mouth is and please enlighten me. Now to return to the very important topic on this Thread - I know two teachers at two different schools who are not striking and that is their personal choice. Staff at my granddaughter's primary school are not striking. Again a personal choice. I am not saying the teachers do not need better pay and conditions because I don't know enough about their present day salaries and working conditions. However the question I would ask is what sort of example are their setting our children and grandchildren, their pupils, our future.
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Re: Teacherās Strike
- passfield resident (5th Feb 2023 20:20:10)
Penny- MPs does not have an apostrophe-it's a simple plural. Thread shouldn't have a capital letter. Hijacked doesn't have a hyphen. As to teachers setting an example-I know children of various ages who support their teachers. Demonstrating use of the fundamental democratic right to withdraw one's labour is perfectly reasonable in the circumstances.
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Re: Teacherās Strike
- Ian (2nd Mar 2023 07:45:14)
So back on strike today and inset day tomorrow. Disgusting. Regardless of the reasons disrupting our kidās education like this is appalling!!
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